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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

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  Deputy Dog

  derek

  We would probably argue all day about what constitutes good evidence.

  I'm simply responding to those who say ID is illogical.

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

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  Funk

  100 years ago Newton's opinion on the subject would have carried some weight.

  That is why I'm probably with Einstein on this one.

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

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  Deputy Dog

  ew

  Thanks

  Your putting God in a box that God has created.

  You are exactly right.

  Sigh. No, I'm not. I'm saying that ID uses a premise that has certain implications. If I base my argument on a premise such as "All cats are orange," then the implication is that I should not be able to find a cat this is not orange. ID proposes a premise. I'm simply noting that the premise is clearly not universally true.

  Sng

  Using your analogy, you are making the jump to say, if God created orange cats He Himself must be an orange cat. You are in effect saying that in order to create something finite, you have to be finite. You used the term "universally true". It is completely logical to say that everything in the universe is designed by God. That would by definition make it "universally true".

  Creationists (at least this one) are saying, that God (who is eternal and infinite) created, and caused everything in this creation. The ID premise, only pertains to every thing in the design, not the Designer.

  Pole, Nark

  You make some good points.

  Basically, one can only speak or conceive of time in terms of spacial/physical metaphors. This has little to do with the nature of the Universe. This is an inherent cognitive feature of all humans. And it gets manifested in language.

  Should we assume time does not exist, just because we speak of it with "spacial/physical metaphors"?

  I would argue that we have a similar problem with God, we always seem to anthropomorphize Him.

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

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  LII

  One of the first conclusions I came to was that our Western concept of God cannot be the subject of scientific discovery since He is, by definition, not part of the natural realm.

  Then you make this jump

  Obviously Creationist/Intellegent Design proponents are not true believers that everything must have an intellegent creator since they are willing to accept that God did not.

  If your first statement is true, why would the next have to be?

  And by the way

  using science to prove God is impossible unless He manifests Himself in a physical form.

  I believe he did. His name is Jesus Christ.

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Deputy Dog

  Pole

  Hence my question to Nark

  Are we talking about the relational theory or the absolute theory?

  Does time even exist without space? Newton says yes.

  Wouldn't you end up talking about lines, spaces, "points" in time and and distances?

  How about an "instant" in the past, present or future? Is "instant" a spacial metaphor?

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Deputy Dog

  Pole

  Can't "Finite and infinite " be applied to time as well?

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Dave

  Sorry, but, if the universe and time are finite (as Einstein suggests) and God is infinite, It can be logical to assume that the infinite created the finite, however any logical conclusion requires some degree of faith.

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Deputy Dog

  Nark

  Are we talking about the relational theory or the absolute theory?

  "outside space" is an oxymoron just like "before time".

  Can we say "before space" or "outside of time"?

  D Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Deputy Dog
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  Intelligent Design

  by Delta20 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey all,.

  i am currently studying the topic of intelligent design (id).

  basically the id theory is the revival of the teleological argument for the existance of a deity.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Deputy Dog

  My point is that you seem to want to put words in the mouths of creationists

  Saying that God exists outside the time and space of his creation does not free him from the logical requirment of the premise that complex things require a creator.

  It would have to, if he created time.

  D DOG